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Tereza Coraggio's avatar

This is great timing, Librarian. I'm glad that we're asking questions along the same lines, even if we don't always come to the same 'answers,' which neither of us state as final, I think.

I'm preparing a post on Guyenot's first chapter and was just at the part about the 'people of the land'. In my words, incorporating Guyenot's research with my own:

"Deuteronomy establishes a theocracy ruled by a priesthood. The conquest of Canaan by Joshua (Yeshua) is a mythical projection of the repatriation to Canaan by the Jews of Babylon, making Ezra into the new Moses. The Lord gives them reign over ‘the people of the land’—the indigenous inhabitants who are now declared foreigners. Those who had returned in the preceding century and intermarried are told to repudiate their wives and children.

"According to the book of Ezra, ‘the people of the country’ want to help them build the temple as fellow Hebrews, but are rebuffed as Assyrian colonists practicing idolatry. Yet in the story of Moses, he states they will follow what leads them to water—which turns out to be a herd of wild donkeys or asses. A head of a donkey was said to be worshipped in the first Jerusalem temple, and Jesus is brought to Jerusalem on an ass. These seem like references to Assur the warrior god.

"The Ezraites claim themselves as the rightful people of Judah and scorn the indigenous Judeans. They also usurp the name of Israel, which had been the prestigious northern kingdom. The name Ezraites echoes Israelites. Abraham’s journey seems another retelling of the Babylonian Ezraites infiltrating Canaan and conquering it from within."

And later, "According to the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, there are edicts from three successive Persian rulers—Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes—giving the Babylonian Ezraites the right to rule and build the temple from the royal treasury. These are all fake by common agreement among historians. Moreover, the claims could never have been written at a time they would be known as fake. Therefore, the books of Ezra and Nehemiah were written after the end of Persian rule in the Hellenist period of Alexander the Great circa 333 BCE."

This seems like pure fantasy from the get-go. Why would the Babylonian rulers welcome 50,000 of the elite Judeans who had just waged war against them into their own country with servants so they could become wealthy and prosperous at their expense? The Ezraites who came from Babylon after it was conquered by Persia had never originated in Judea. My guess is that they were traitors and spies for Persia who were driven out of Babylon when the people realized they'd been betrayed--much like in Germany after WWI when the Balfour Declaration came to light.

And the archeology book I'm reading, Facts on the Ground, talks about those 200 Hebrew village names and that the facts dispute them. And if the Torah has told half-truths, by incorporating existing names as a means of claiming the territories, it's not historical that 'they' built them.

In one other comment, Josephus says that Titus gave permission to preserve the Torah scholars and Davidic line of royalty, incorporating both into the Roman Empire. Only the zealots, who rebelled against Rome and the theocracy of the Torah, were murdered, enslaved or expelled. Whether or not this is fiction, it's from their own historian that the priestly and royal class were traitors to the sovereignty movement and loyal to Rome, for whom they were the tax(task)masters.

Thanks for bringing Shlomo's work to me, Librarian!

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Nefahotep's avatar

Your quote:

"Many Hebrew place names have been preserved, unlike the Greek and Roman names that were meant to replace them. A good number of burial places, sacred to the local inhabitants, are joint Muslim and Jewish cemeteries. The local Arabic dialect is strewn with Hebrew and Aramaic words, distinguishing it from literary Arabic and other Arabic vernaculars. The local populace does not define itself as Arab—they see themselves as Muslims or fellahin (farmers), while they refer to the Bedouins as Arabs. The particular mentality of certain local communities recalls that of their Hebrew ancestors."

There are several things:

First, I would say the key to "re - cognize" and "re - collect" [as Tereza would say] the events that may have taken place in ancient times, is Linguistics. Language preserves certain root meanings in an Etymological manner.

Such as the real name of the Hebrew: Habiru or Hapiru or Apiru. They were ruled by a separate subset of individual rulers. To better express this I will forward a portion of another comment I used in a different stack, [also reflecting a concept from Tereza]:

"Semitism itself is a system of slaves and masters from the most ancient attestations. The Canaanites were bequeathed by Noah to Shem to be his slaves. To be Anti Shemite is to be against that system of slaves and masters. When we apply the term "Semitic" to some group of people; even if the Palestinians are considered more than 80% genetically Semitic, the Palestinians are likely the descendants of the original Canaanites who were enslaved by their masters.

The masters were known as Šagašu, in ancient Sumeria; they were known as Habiru (Hebrew) when they held control in ancient Egypt, their rulers were known as Heka Khasut; they were known as the Archons in Ancient Greece, as Tereza states: "prior to Solon who created the Athenian "Democracy" which was a system of representative tyranny." ---- This is one comment that I place in this post:

https://ivanmpaton.substack.com/p/know-your-enemies -- I think this is a good reference point to the Global conflict that has been forming.

I have been stating this all along: Remember that the names of the rulers are some times used to describe the whole people, while the majority of the people are not a part of the ruling group in reality, they instead maintain their own separate bloodline.

For another perspective on the OT and the Exodus here's my post on Hyksos and the first Holocaust:

https://nefahotep.substack.com/p/first-holocaust-in-ancient-history

Please let me know what you think about this.

[I have made quote citations for Tereza, with my apologies]

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